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The Latest on CB4 and the Raptors

May 15, 2009 | By TSM | comment on this post
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Greg Brady (back row, second from left) was talking hoops with ESPN. What’s that? Oh, sorry…wrong Greg Brady.

On the drive home last night, Greg Brady had Rick Bucher, an NBA analyst for EPSN on. After they talked NBA playoffs, the topic turned to your Toronto Raptors. It was interesting to get a U.S. perspective on the Raptors as I always get the feeling that the Toronto press is a little too in love with the players and the team. Just my opinion, anyways. In any event, here a few tidbits from what Bucher had to say to Brady. I would provide audio but 640 doesn’t have it posted on their awesome web site.

On Jay Triano re-signing: A safe hire, not sure there was anyone marketable better out there right now. Although Bucher didn’t use the word, the adjective he should have used was vanilla as in plain. Now, little TSM loves him some vanilla ice cream, and we all know there is nothing wrong with vanilla. When I take little TSM to a Ben and Jerry’s or to one of those Marble Slabs and he gets vanilla I get a tad bit annoyed.

On Chris Bosh: This is the summer of Bosh. The Raptors aren’t (according to Bucher anyway) convinced that Bosh wants to stay here. If they ask the question of Bosh and don’t get a resounding yes they will flip him before the start of the season. Bucher said that Bosh is a high character guy who played through some injuries last year. He isn’t sure he is a league superstar. He also isn’t sure that Bosh isn’t frustrated with the lack of success compared with those in his draft class. The most interesting comment from Bucher was that he said he had talked to other league executives about Bosh and the executives were surprised that Bosh wasn’t able to get the Raptors into the playoffs. The suggestion was that if Bosh were another player (Dwyane Wade or LeBron James are two that I can remember him naming) there was little question in the executives’ minds that the Raptors would be in the playoffs. Unfair comment? Perhaps. It’s interesting that this is the mindset out there of the decision makers. Bucher did say that he isn’t sure that Bosh has categorically told the Raptors he won’t be back as Bucher’s colleague Stephen A. Smith suggested in his much publicized report earlier in the season, but Bucher does think that Bosh hasn’t sent the Raptors any signals that he wants to stay.

All interesting banter. Should be interesting to see how Bryan Colangelo stick handles through this offseason.

Thanks to a reader who sent me this after the post above. I am not going to comment at all as I am in no position to do so. Here is the gist of the article in the San Jose Mercury News: the Golden State Warriors are hoping to win Tuesday’s NBA draft lottery or at the very least move from No. 7 to No. 2 or 3 (sound familiar?). If they don’t win the lottery and move up that way then they have targeted Bosh as the next best thing. Here is what was written in the article about that:

“The main targeted veteran, I’m told, is Toronto’s Chris Bosh –- no surprise, given how hard Riley tried to get him at last year’s trade deadline.

Though Bosh is a big member of the great free-agent class of 2010, and therefore potentially available in a deal this summer if the Raptors are scared of losing him next year, it’s hard to see Toronto giving him away.
They’re going to want Anthony Randolph. The Warriors are going to have to think hard about anything involving Randolph, though I’m sure Don Nelson wouldn’t be broken-hearted about it. Heck, Randolph’s not going to be in his prime until Nelson is long retired, so why would Nellie want any part of him?

But could the Warriors trade Randolph, at 19 with a chance to be one of the top 10 players in the league in a few years…for a possible one-year rental of Bosh, who may or may not ever be a superstar?
(I guess Nelson thinks Bosh would be an idea [sic] big man in a scatter-ball mania.)

Another huge problem: To get Bosh, the Warriors almost have to include Andris Biedrins (no problem for Nellie, obviously) for value and contract purposes, but Biedrins remains a base-year player until June 30 next summerOOPS THAT CHANGES THINGS.

That’s complicated, but basically it means that a Biedrins-involved trade has to be a monster monetary deal (involving three or four big contracts going both ways) for Biedrins’ deal to fit into any trade. Update: But only until June 30. Again: OOPS.

Randolph and Biedrins for Bosh doesn’t even come close to a workable NBA trade. The money’s all wrong. The Warriors and Raptors would have to build another $10M or so both ways into this deal.

Also, by my reading of the CBA, I don’t believe Jamal Crawford can be traded until and unless he DOES NOT opt-out on June 30. It’s like the Baron Davis situation last year–Crawford, for trade purposes, is considered a potential free agent, and you can’t trade pending F/As until July 1.

If Crawford opts-in, which is likely, he can be traded after June 30, since he will then have two years left on his deal.

If he opts-out and becomes a free agent, then the Warriors can still sign-and-trade his rights after June 30. But, unless I’m wrong, Crawford CANNOT BE MOVED in the period from now until July 1, which means zero movement for him at draft time (June 25).

Obviously another candidate to be moved: Monta Ellis, but he’s also a base-year player until June 30 next summer.

Much easier to trade: Brandan Wright and Marco Belinelli, but they don’t have much value, thanks, in no small part, to Nelson’s handling of them.”

Okay NBA fans tell the rest of us…what should we think?

Not that there is much left to read, but the story can be found here.

TSM

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3 Responses to “The Latest on CB4 and the Raptors”

  1. mike says:

    Good article. I think Bosh needs to stay and if he doesnt the Raptors best be getting something to keep the fans coming back. Marion is good but he can not be the center of the team.

  2. Gerald says:

    I think it’s hilarious that the amateur psychics and psychologists are assessing Bosh from a distance and prognosticating on his future. The American Basketball pundits also assumed Bosh wouldn’t resign with Toronto the first time…or that Vince Carter wouldn’t resign the first time. If I had a dollar for every time one of these clowns hugged their voodoo doll and shouted out something like they were speaking in tongues, I’d be a rich man.

    The latest from Colangelo and Bosh is that they are going in to next season with an open ended situation. That way Toronto has one more chance to woo Bosh and Bosh has one more chance to prove he’s a franchise player. At the end of that if Bosh wants to leave then they will do a sign and trade that gets Bosh his money and Toronto a fare shake at the trade table. Unlike a lot of NBA personalities both of these men have track records of doing pretty much what they say. If there is some plausible evidence beyond the status quo subversive anti Toronto rhetoric I’ll be glad to reevaluate, other wise don’t waste our time.

  3. TSM says:

    Thanks for the comments. Gerald, I think the proof will be in the pudding this summer. I am by no means a Raptors insider (but have one joining the TSM family soon!) but I think that the notion that the Raptors can’t go into next season with a lame duck Bosh. I love how folks here tend to interpret a players willingness to sign in Toronto as shitting on the city or the country.

    There is a ton of pressure on Colangelo. He has had total autonomy with his team and all the cash in the world to work with. 2 things every GM wants.

    Time will tell.

    TSM

    http://torontosportsmedia.com

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